LISTEN: Lyme disease expert talks diagnosis, treatment and ‘chronic Lyme’
The examination of autopsied brain tissues from patients who died of serious neurological conditions has revealed that many tick-borne infections, such as Lyme disease, go undiagnosed and untreated. Board-certified pathologist, Alan B. MacDonald, MD, says his research shows “tick infections are not easily detected with routine tests, nor are they easily cured with short courses of antibiotics.”
MacDonald presented his findings Thursday on Capitol Hill, in the Rayburn House Office Building, at a forum to explore the scientific, economic, and policy challenges posed by the epidemic of Lyme disease and associated tick-borne illnesses.
MacDonald found three Borrelia pathogens, including B. burgdorferi the causative agent of Lyme disease, thriving inside parasitic nematode worms, worm eggs or larvae in the brain tissue of nineteen deceased patients. These microscopic worms are endosymbionts, meaning the Borrelia bacteria dwell inside the worms. A tick bite delivers the nematode into the human body.
“Both the worms and the Borrelia pathogens can cause devastating brain damage,” said MacDonald. “Current tests, like the ELISA and Western blot, do not adequately detect the presence of Borrelia bacteria.” MacDonald says his discovery also shows “while patients are wrongly declared free of Lyme and other tick-borne infections, in reality, too often they contract serious neurodegenerative diseases which can kill them.”
The Rocky Mountain Multiple Sclerosis Center Tissue Bank provided MacDonald with ten specimens from deceased MS patients; all ten specimens showed evidence of Borrelia infected nematodes. Infected worms were also found in five tissue specimens from patients who succumbed to the highly malignant brain tumor Glioblastoma multiforme, the same cancer which took the life of Senator Edward Kennedy (D-MA). Ironically, in 1993, Senator Kennedy chaired a hearing of the Labor and Human Resources committee titled: Lyme disease: A Diagnostic and Treatment Dilemma. Finally, four specimens from patients who died from Lewy Body dementia, the same illness which afflicted comedian Robin Williams, also showed the presence of infected nematodes.
Lyme and outrage are inextricably paired
MacDonald’s work breaks new ground while building on previous studies. In 1984, Lyme pioneer Willy Burgdorfer, Ph.D. wrote of finding nematodes in tick guts. In 2014, University of New Haven researcher Eva Sapi, Ph.D., examined the guts of ticks gathered in southern Connecticut and found 22% of the nymphs and 30% of adult Ixodes ticks carried nematodes in their systems.
MacDonald identified the infected nematodes using a technique known as FISH: Fluorescent In Situ Hybridization which involves using molecular beacon DNA probes. FISH identifies pieces of Borrelia’s genetic material which fluoresce under the microscope with a 100% DNA match. Dr. MacDonald, a fellow of the Academy of American Pathologists, conducts his research through the Dr. Paul Duray Research Fellowship Endowment Inc. MacDonald’s presentation can be accessed here:https://vimeo.com/166688480.
Thorson, you have just confirmed that you are the same Mark Thorson referred to online as having been sued for posting false information about a health product, and admitted that you were ordered to publish a retraction.
Neither of those things is true. Nothing I posted was false, and the retraction was the result of a settlement agreement.
Why would a judge order you to publish a retraction if what you had said was true?
That’s not true either. There was no trial. But you don’t care. You’re willing to make up any lies to forward your nonsense.
Why are you publishing false and extremely libellous allegations, Mark Thorson, in regard to Dr MacDonald when, as you have just admitted, you “Don’t know what [his] relationship with the lab was”?
Nothing I’ve said about MacDonald is false. If you disagree with that, show me an example of something I’ve said which is false. You can’t.
Why do you spend so much time on the internet trying to discredit discoveries that could potentially save lives, such as Dr MacDonald’s, when you lack even the most basic understanding of the issues?
I most certainly do understand the issues, and I know dubious science when I see it. There’s a large industry exploiting fears of “chronic Lyme disease” to the great harm of their victims. Did you note Bradford Whipple above who says he paid $50K out-of-pocket? I’d count him among the victims of the Lyme industry.
Recently I had the following conversation with a lady in her 70’s . This lady has just been formally diagnosed with Alzheimer’s.
She is now going through all the hell that people go through when in those early stages in dementia, fully capable of understanding what lies ahead, fully cognisant of the fact that their mind is crumbling. She has even been told that her MRI shows brain atrophy. Can you imagine how all this must feel? No, I don’t suppose you care.
You have no idea how wrong you are. But you don’t care about the truth, as evidenced by your repeated lies about me.
Here is the conversation we had. ( Mary is not her real name):
Mary: I feel as though I’ve lost my memory.
Me: Yes.
Mary: Am I ever going to get it back?
Me: We have to live with hope, Mary. All over the world, thousands of scientists have been working to find a cure for Alzheimer’s. And in fact, just recently some breakthroughs have been made –
Mary: Oh come on, you know these things take years!
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What was I supposed to say to her, Mark Thorson?
Certainly not that Lyme bacteria caused her Alzheimer’s. That’s not true. Although the cause of Alzheimer’s is not known, that doesn’t mean it’s Lyme bacteria, copper water pipes, wheat gluten, or any of the other dingbat hypotheses that have been floated over the years.
I know what I would like to have said. I would like to have re-assured her that Dr MacDonald’s phenomenal discovery would soon be translated into clinical practice, and that she might be able to benefit from anti-borrelia and anthelminthic (anti-worm) treatment.
And that would be wrong. That would be presenting false hope.
Do the 47 million or so victims of dementia worldwide have to be cheated out of the fruits of discovery, just as the millions of ulcer sufferers had to wait over a decade for the discovery of Helicobacter pylori to be taken seriously, as a direct result of the machinations of Big Pharma to protect their interests in rantiidine and cimetidine, two palliative drugs that did not cure?
Do tens of millions have to suffer because of paid liars like you?
Did it ever occur to you, Mark Thorson, that one day YOU might get dementia?
Elena Cook
Again you repeat your false allegation that I’m a “paid liar”. You’ve got absolutely no regard for the truth. You only care about forwarding your delusions. You are a fool.
False hope is what Big Pharma has been delivering for years with their constant promises of new “miracle drugs” based on ridding the brain of beta-amyloid. This approach is not working, and the reason may well be what Harvard professors Tanzi and Moir have found -ie , that beta amyloid is actually an ANTI-MICROBIAL PEPTIDE, not the cause of the disease.
Finding a known virulent bacteria and a known virulent parasite in the autopsy brains (and specifically in hippocampal plaques!) is massively important and is not “false hope” – it is REAL HOPE.
You cherry-picked papers by teams from CDC and others with conflict of interest, while ignoring a meta-analysis which took into account ALL the papers on the subject.
You are not a scientist, Mark Thorson. Nor even a human being.
A google search on “biowarfare lady” is very informative. Normally, I’d say being delusional is not necessarily evidence of insanity, but were you really in psychiatric detention? That would explain so much.
http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5478
There is no truth in him (Thorson), therefore he can only lie.
Actually a Google search on “Mark Thorson” is MUCH more informative:
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Mark Thorson, former Sandy High School volunteer assistant boys’ basketball coach, pleaded guilty Thursday to third-degree sex abuse of a 16-year-old Sandy girl in February.
Thorson, 24 years old at the time of the month-long relationship, admitted to an inapproriate relationship that involved sexual penetration.
In Clackamas County Circuit Court, Judge Kathie Steele was visibly distressed at Thorson’s activities with the girl as she sentenced him to three months in jail and three years of formal probation as well as sex-offender registration, counseling and treatment. He also must pay attorney and court costs and fees.
Part of Steele’s distress was because the sentence was for reduced charges – a plea bargain…”
I’ve already said that’s not me, but you can’t accept that in your delusional world. You can’t accept that honest, educated people can not believe your cherished delusions about Lyme disease. And so, you’re willing to believe any lie you can dredge up about those who honestly do not agree that your delusions are reasonable.
4 of us have Lyme tested negative for 10 yrs even with the bullseye rash present and a huge round rash. When you live it or been through it you know the truth.
Everyone, stop responding to Thorson. He’s a disinformed troll. We could all pile him up with hundreds of pages of real medical records, diagnoses, and give him personal phones for doctors and etc. but his ego is tied up in insulting us and the people working on our behalf and his krumping is not important. Those of us who are interested in science and the scientific method and figuring out what if any link there is between borrelis…not just Lyme…but many borrelias and other illnesses should continue to discuss those things over the top of his head. We have way more important things to deal with than proving the world is round to someone who thinks it is flat. 🙂 Don’t respond to this person. The fact he hangs on in long arguments with others and does not have any ethos about the matter and constantly uses attack to the man shows he’s just not someone who could ever understand without personal experience. I for one am overjoyed that there are people out there trying to understand novel issues surrounding dementia. I’m interested because my dad and uncle had late onset Alzhiemers. I’m very interested in what actually starts the process where the amyloid precursor protein splits at the wrong places. Doctor Dale Breseden of UCLA actually has reversed mild dementia in 9 people of ten, as a recent study shows. This is great news! It means that early on, with some cases, probably only with apoliprotein cases, that this might be something that can be modified. He used a protocol which is available for study online. He mentions how peptides influence whether the APP breaks in the right or wrong manner. What is still unclear is what causes the peptides to malfunction to begin with? Could irritants like spirochetes or other toxins the brain be involved? Great question. Worthy studying.
Why do I care? I have had Lyme for three years. I am being tested to see if I have MCI…which is possible early dementia. Also, I have educated myself on this quite a bit and have compassion on Lyme patients and the hell they go through. Please friend me on facebook if you are suffering and need a helping hand!
Cheers
So how does one go about getting proper testing for Lyme? My husband has been diagnosed with LBD with sudden onset of symptoms. He suffered a tick bite several years ago, but nothing came of it at the time. Where can he go to be tested?
Mary, Contact Lymediseaseassociation.org, lymedisease.org , for a nearest Lyme support group or Lyme Literate MD for advisement.
Great post! Have nice day ! 🙂 osguf
Great post! Have nice day ! 🙂 artgw
He is not a troll. He is a paid shill. Please Google it. It is legal.
Big Pharma, the CDC, the IDSA know that while few may comment on forums, thousands will read the comments. At the top of this page it says that there have been 87,500 viewers in only 2 years. They wish to quiet other voices in any way they can. And one shill can be very effective as you can see here.
It is very obvious that he has learned just enough information to be able to make irrelevant statements that do not come close to refuting any factual evidence. Basically he is just saying, “I don’t believe it.”
Who spends time reading and commenting on forums that they think have no credibility?
Someone who is being paid to do so.
There are detailed accounts by former shills explaining the hiring process and training.
The reason they should be ignored is because they do not even believe what they are saying.
the criminal suppression of the knowledge of tick borne diseases has gone on largely unabated for decades with the result being that millions of persons have suffered and are suffering through hells.
It is too bad that lyme sufferers like Christie Todd Whitman and President George W Bush got treatment for their lyme thru LLMD’s, and they kept quiet, very quiet about their lyme dz.
The criminal suppression is broad and deep and doctors like Dr Steere of Yale know full why this suppression continues. People who know the truth of the suppression need to be put on trial and prosecuted. These persons were simply protecting money interests and the status of those in power who will fight to the death to protect these interests. They do not care about the immense suffering because they justify it as in the National Security interest of the United States. Money is national security, power of the entrenched is being protected by the same.
Anyone know the type or names of the nematodes that habor the bacteria? Would love more information on that.
Just wanna remark that you have a very nice website , I enjoy the style and design it actually stands out.
Earlier this year (late January) my basement was remediated for mold. (did air testing, Petri dish testing) Right away I started treatment for mold toxicity. Bentonite clay, charcoal clay, welchol (when I can tolerate it) and infrared sauna. My C4a levels were very high. Just 2 weeks ago I did a urine test and it came back showing I had Borrelia recurrentis-IND. Haven’t talked to my doctor yet but am wondering if anyone has heard that high C4a levels are connected to it? (my levels were initially off the charts! 10,000 – now have calmed down to 725.) Any info would be helpful! Thanks! 🙂
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